Summary: Leftists’ radical changes to our gender roles are their grandest social engineering project, so far. Even bigger than communism. Now the results begin to appear. They are predictable, but not what our leaders expected.
“In 2002 Mike Pence told The Hill that he never eats alone with a woman other than his wife and that he won’t attend events featuring alcohol without her by his side.”
— Source: WaPo. The Pence Rule was prescient in 2002; it is common sense today.
See the early results of the great experiment run on us
A SurveyMonkey poll sponsored by Lean In (Sheryl Sandberg’s activist organization) looks at the results of #MeToo. Too most people the results are obvious and inevitable, but they surprised some of our Leftist social engineers.
- “A full 60% of male managers say they are uncomfortable engaging in common workplace interactions with women, including mentoring, socializing, and having one-on-one meetings – up 14 percentage points from last year.
- “Senior men are especially uncomfortable socializing with female colleagues. In 2018, only a third of male managers (34%) said they were uncomfortable socializing with a woman outside of work (like in a restaurant). In 2019, that number rises to nearly half of male managers (48%).
- “More than a third (34%) have actively taken steps to avoid having to interact with a female colleague outside of work, and men are also more unwilling to accept 1:1 meetings outside the office. …
- “The steady stream of stories of harassment over the past few years seems to be confusing workers about the how often harassment really happens. Equal numbers say that the frequency of harassment is increasing (22%) and decreasing (21%), and even more workers don’t know which way it’s going (24%).
- “On top of that, women feel less safe at work than they did before. Only 85% said they feel safe on the job, down from 91% last year. …”
- “In 2018, only 46% of workers said their company had done something to address harassment in the workplace – this year 70% of employees report that their company has taken action in some way,”
The Lean In website gave additional information on the results.
“{Employers} don’t seem to discourage women and men from interacting with each other. 82% of workers say their workplace doesn’t discourage people of different genders from mentoring, socializing, or traveling together. Even outside the workplace, 80% of workers haven’t heard that they should avoid interactions with the opposite gender – meaning most of the hesitance male managers feel is internal. …
“As for why this is happening, 36% of men say they’ve avoided mentoring or socializing with a woman because they were nervous about how it would look.”
A follow-up survey produced more alarming findings.
“Senior-level men are now far more hesitant to spend time with junior women than junior men across a range of basic work activities. They are –
- 12x more likely to hesitate to have 1-on-1 meetings,
- 9x more likely to hesitate to travel together for work,
- 6x more likely to hesitate to have work dinners.”
Perhaps these men read the newspapers.
“Here’s an unpopular opinion: I’m actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations.”
— Emily Lindin (@EmilyLindin) 21 November 2017. She is the founder of the unslut project and an award-winning documentary filmmaker.
A feminist surprised by the inevitable result of their experiments
Sheryl Sandberg is the billionaire COO of Facebook. Her interview has many fascinating nuggets. Men’s reaction to MeToo is evil patriarchy. She gives us the easy solution: more changes. Eventually, if we change enough, she will be satisfied.
“If there’s a man out there who doesn’t want to have a work dinner with a woman, my message is simple: Don’t have one with a man. Group lunches for everyone. Make it explicit, make it thoughtful, make it equal. …”Men need to step up. We need to redefine what it means to be a good guy at work. It’s not enough to not harass, and I think too many people think that’s sufficient.”
Dalrock’s Law of Feminism: “Feminism is the assertion that men are evil and naturally want to harm women, followed by pleas to men to solve all of women’s problems” {example here}. She has a long list of commands for men, such as this …
“And so I think men need to step up and they need to say in order to get women promoted those women need the same coaching, the same feedback, the same opportunities that men get.”
Sandberg fails to mention that women get 57% of undergraduate degrees – and that gap is growing. Feminists seldom mention this, as it ruins their victim-hood narrative. More insights follow …
“In a public restaurant having a lunch or dinner, I don’t really think you can get falsely accused of something.”
That is false. For example, there are many stories of professors using their mind control powers to get women drunk, even in public venues – and then have their way with them. See some of the stories here. Now the crusade has expanded from colleges to the workplace. It will change everything. Business leaders’ confidence about their ability to handle these “snowflakes” is delusional. Their HR staff, government regulators, and courts will provide an expensive education.
Perhaps the pleasant betas that staff the cubicles and offices of corporate America have read her best-seller Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead
“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home.”
A word from our Leftist social engineers.
Ignore the side-effects of our recent experiment.
The next version will be wonderful.
For the Left, there is always another step down the slippery slope. See “Want to Dismantle Capitalism? Abolish the Family” by Rosemarie Ho at The Nation — “Feminist theorist Sophie Lewis’s new book looks at how rethinking pregnancy and the idea of family as forms of labor is central to emancipatory politics.” The book is Full Surrogacy Now: Feminism Against Family
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- Summary – Starting World War G: the gender wars.
- The feminist revolutionaries have won. Insurgents have arisen to challenge the new order. As always, they’re outlaws.
- As the Left’s social revolution wins victories, a revolt begins.
- Look beyond the stories to see how we define harassment.
- The coming crash as men and women go their own way.
- MeToo = Salem Witch trials 2.0 — see the similarities.
- Hidden knowledge: false rape accusations are common.
- More triumphs of feminism. Are male executives scared?
An early book about 4th wave feminism: the quest for superiority
Manning Up: How the Rise of Women
Has Turned Men into Boys![]()
By Kay Hymowitz (2011).
Got to love her certainty about what is “real adulthood.” How would she react if men told women what was their “real adulthood”? Also, it seldom occurs to women feminists that there might be a rational basis for men’s behavior. From the publisher …
“Women complain there are no good men left – that men are immature, unreliable, and adrift. No wonder. Masculine role models have become increasingly juvenile and inarticulate: think of stars like Adam Sandler and Will Ferrell, or the dudes of the popular Judd Apatow movies. There are no rules for dating and mating. Guys are unsure how to treat a woman. Most importantly, dating in the pre-adult years is no longer a means to an end – marriage – as it was in the past. Many young men today suspect they are no longer essential to family life, and without the old scripts to follow, they find themselves stuck between adolescence and “real” adulthood.
“In Manning Up, Kay Hymowitz sets these problems in a socioeconomic context: today’s knowledge economy is female friendly, and many of the highest profile areas of that economy – communications, design, the arts, and health care – are dominated by women. Men are increasingly left on the outskirts of this new, service economy, and take much longer to find a financial foothold.
“With no biological clock telling them it’s time to grow up, without the financial resources to settle down, and with the accepted age of marriage rising into the late 30s or even 40s, men are holding onto adolescence at the very time that women are achieving professional success and looking to find a mate to share it with. A provocative account of the modern sexual economy, Hymowitz deftly charts a gender mismatch that threatens the future of the American family and makes no one happy in the long run.”
Has anyone reading this been “mentored”?
Feminists make this sounds as common as coffee breaks. I have seen only a few examples of this in my 30+ years in the finance biz.
More common are relationships where a senior manager has a young man who he uses as a loyal and effective instrument, in exchange for advancement (if he is successful).
Never been mentored. Start a new job, get thrown to the wolves. The very idea that some VP would take me under his (or her) wing and groom me for success is risible.
Am I the only one who thinks Sheryl Sandberg is overrated?
Scott,
Most of these internet executive billionaires are just lucky. Like finding a diamond mine in your cornfield.
Any time I hear the words “men need to step up”, I want to reach for a bullwhip. Or maybe my sidearm. Men have been stepping up for millions of years, from Ugh, who took down that mammoth for dinner to guys on Omaha Beach. But men are allowed to be cognizant of the risks they’re taking, they may in fact decide that some risks just aren’t worth taking, and actions have consequences. I’m supposed to “step up” so that some random woman can get promoted? What’s in this for me?
I know that asking that question out loud makes me a rotten human being, but I can’t be the only one asking it.
Thanks for this one. It’s kind of grimly amusing.
The Man,
Nicely said. That’s the essence of Dalrock’s definition of feminism.
Maybe I’m lucky. Or just old. I grew up working in the IT industry from the 80’s. I worked with women as coworkers, managers, and directors. I hired and mentored women, and was also mentored by some, who I grew to respect and trust. I also worked with women who were complete assholes. Just like many of the men I worked with. I still respect women I work with. Unless they show themselves to be assholes. Then I toss them onto the same garbage bin with all of the asshole men I have ever had to deal with. They’re all the same. I get the feeling that the feminist movement today doesn’t want equality. They’re done with suffragettes, abolitionists, and equal pay for equal work. They want what they think men have had all along. Dominance. And revenge. There is an old saying. Mice dream dreams dreamt by no cat.
Jon,
You aptly describe fourth wave feminism. Unlike the first three, which sought equality (in different forms), the 4th wave seeks superiority. They’re winning.
I had about 2 weeks of mentoring one time from a very senior engineer. Men nowadays are just thrown into situations and expected to figure it out. Only women get “mentoring” – usually it’s from other women on how to get into management.
We need to take back our livelihoods from these giants. Behemoth corporate culture is feeding on itself and we need alternatives.
“They are predictable, but not what our leaders expected.”
Oh no it wasn’t. It was exactly what they wanted. The politics of Feminism 4.0 is identical to those of the Junior Anti-Sex League.
I was single far too long, and found that it actually got harder to meet women as I got older. The ones that really wanted to get married made whatever compromises necessary early in life, while the remainder was increasingly composed of “single by choice” and harpies with big chips on their shoulders.
And we wonder why we have a “sex recession” when we have criminalized the effort of all but the very elite alpha males to obtain it.
PS. Kay Hymowitz is purportedly a conservative. Ain’t that a kicker?
According to most conservatives, a man that doesn’t sacrifice himself on the altar of family and society isn’t an adult or “real man”. Any man that deviates from this is deemed to be immature, living in extended adolescence, suffering from Peter Pan Syndrome, etc. That stance isn’t rare among conservative, it’s the standard.
God help you though if you suggest women have a comparative duty to sacrifice. Tradcon men might silently agree, but thatas as far as they will go, and tradcon women will suddenly turn into the staunchest feminists.
“Office Romance Hits 10-Year Low, According to CareerBuilder’s Annual Valentine’s Day Survey“
Sven,
Thanks for posting. Esp note the interesting specific numbers they cite!
Anecdote – back in the 80s I was at a party in London speaking to a female barrister. I forget how the conversation got to this point – though I knew that her chambers refused as a matter of policy to defend rape cases and this may have been the cause – but she said “No woman would ever lie about being raped.” I remember those words because I thought the statement to be utterly mad. Shouldn’t a lawyer believe in due process? (I was very young.) I started talking to someone else shortly after. Looking back I don’t think she believed it either. It was about control.
To answer the mentoring question my experience is much closer to Frank K’s – thrown to the wolves. Many of my colleagues were decent and professional but some (of both sexes) were not.
Peter,
I too wonder about people who say that rape victims don’t lie. Do they believe that? After all, so far as I can see – most of the highly public rape cases in the past decade or so have been lies (see False rape accusations tell us something important about America).
“my experience is much closer to Frank K’s – thrown to the wolves.”
I wonder about all this talk about “mentoring.” These people know a lot of philanthropists, since mentoring takes time and energy, has risks, and brings few rewards. I saw very little of it in my 30+ years in the finance biz.
Larry
Yes. Apologies if you have already picked this up but I think the Mark Pearson case (accused of digital penetrating a woman while walking across the concourse at Waterloo station in rush hour – think Grand Central if you have not been there – while carrying a newspaper and with CCTV showing his other hand on the strap of his backpack) is a prime example. (I need to work on my posting skills – trying to put in a link would not work – there are several articles on this if you search “Mark Pearson Waterloo”.) These are all tragedies for the accused and do not help victims at all.
My experience with mentoring was that it was very sink or swim with the more enlightened employers providing limited flotation aids. When it came to time for me to help train people the good ones largely helped themselves and were also the ones who benefited most from guidance when needed, which was not often. Some could not be helped. As you say there are very definite risks.
Peter,
Thank you for flagging the Mark Pearson case!
For other readers, here is the story. Well-worth reading.
“Tried for a sex crime because I brushed past a film star in rush-hour” in the Daily Mail, 6 February 2016.
“Man falsely accused of sexual assault on actress wants apology from CPS over ‘bemusing’ case” in The Independent, 16 February 2016.
“My year of hell: Commuter accused of ‘preposterous’ sexual assault case wary of travelling with women” in The Independent, 9 February 2016.
“Commuter who walked past actress at Waterloo station cleared of ‘bizarre’ sex assault claim” in The Telegraph, 7 May 2016 — “Mark Pearson may not even have made physical contact with woman in her 60s on busy concourse – but CPS approved sex assault charge.”
Do you think men can be sued for not mentoring women or having anything to do with women?
It may get to the point that the men have no way out and cannot win.
info,
There is no need, or gain, from such wild speculation. Let’s deal with what’s on the ground.
True.
Interesting data from a non male dominated society;
https://phys.org/news/2017-07-fathering-peace-loving-bonobos-dont.html
It seems that in the peaceful bonono society, the females all prefer to reproduce with the dominant male.
There is broader reproductive success in the male dominated chimpanzee world.
An America with Brad Pitt fathering 60% of the children may be closer than we think.
Not sure whether this is quite what the feminist movement had in mind….
etudiant,
I doubt we can learn much from the lives of our fellow primates. We have begun a great experiment. As I wrote in The gender wars have begun. Here is the playbook. —
I have worked in my industry (telecom engineering) for 25 years now, and have rarely seen any ‘mentoring’ going on. You hear of it the odd time, but I would say it is like 1 in a 1000, at best. And yes, of those handful I hear about, most were women being mentored. My experience is that engineers mostly work peer-wise to work through problems, figure out next steps, etc. Again, the feminists that write these pieces seem to only be focused on the executive level or the path-to-it.
In my opinion, the intermediate result of these changes will be the destruction of any “camaraderie” at work. Since it will be discrimination if the male colleagues want to go out for a beer after work, or socialize at lunch – but not invite the females for fear of offending one – then such activity will die off. A very sterile work environment is the future (and I already see evidence of it).
BMc,
“of those handful I hear about, most were women being mentored.”
That’s my experience as well, in finance. Women are much more likely to be mentored. Middle aged guys like the flattery and attention from young women. It is also true in Boy Scouting. Leaders in the Venture program (the largest coed program) are disproportionately girls. It was amazing to watch the girls play the middle aged male adult leaders.
My guess is that this will happen in Boy Scouting, as it goes coed. Adult leaders prefer the cooperative respective girls as leaders (giving scouting a classroom-like atmosphere), over the young studs who challenge them – and bring energy to the program.
“In my opinion, the intermediate result of these changes will be the destruction of any “camaraderie” at work.”
That’s already true, to some extent, in my biz – finance. The pressure is extreme, the failure rate high. In the ancient days (1980s), guys (and a few women from work) would go out several times per week for heavy drinking. Much like the “salarymen” in Japan. It’s impossible to maintain a facade under those circumstances. This produced tight bonding and mutual support.
Now that’s all gone.