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“Afghanistan by the Numbers – Measuring a War Gone to Hell”, by Tom Engelhardt

9 September 2009

Another chapter in that long series of American classics, Know your wars.  By comparison with Englehardt’s, most writings by the war’s advocates are like children’s scrawls on the sidewalk.

Afghanistan by the Numbers – Measuring a War Gone to Hell
By Tom Engelhardt, posted at TomDispatch, 8 September 2009 — Posted in full with permission.

Contents

  1. Introduction
  2. Measuring Success
  3. Costs
  4. War-Fighting
  5. Escalation
  6. Public Opinion
  7. The Presidential Election
  8. Private Contractors
  9. Diplomats and the Civilian Surge
  10. The Metrics of Success
  11. Afghanistan by the Numbers
  12. The next war
  13. What Can’t Be Measured
  14. Notes
  15. About the author
  16. Afterword and For More Information

(1)  Introduction

Here may be the single strangest fact of our American world: that at least three administrations — Ronald Reagan’s, George W. Bush’s, and now Barack Obama’s — drew the U.S. “defense” perimeter at the Hindu Kush; that is, in the rugged, mountainous lands of Afghanistan. Put another way, while Americans argue feverishly and angrily over what kind of money, if any, to put into health care, or decaying infrastructure, or other key places of need, until recently just about no one in the mainstream raised a peep about the fact that, for nearly eight years (not to say much of the last three decades), we’ve been pouring billions of dollars, American military know-how, and American lives into a black hole in Afghanistan that is, at least in significant part, of our own creation.

Imagine for a moment, as you read this post, what might have happened if Americans had decided to sink the same sort of money — $228 billion and rising fast — the same “civilian surges,” the same planning, thought, and effort (but not the same staggering ineffectiveness) into reclaiming New Orleans or Detroit, or into planning an American future here at home. Imagine, for a moment, when you read about the multi-millions going into further construction at Bagram Air Base, or to the mercenary company that provides “Lord of the Flies” hire-a-gun guards for American diplomats in massive super-embassies, or about the half-a-billion dollars sunk into a corrupt and fraudulent Afghan election, what a similar investment in our own country might have meant.

Ask yourself: Wouldn’t the U.S. have been safer and more secure if all the money, effort, and planning had gone towards “nation-building” in America? Or do you really think we’re safer now, with an official unemployment rate of 9.7%, an underemployment rate of 16.8%, and a record 25.5% teen unemployment rate, with soaring health-care costs, with vast infrastructural weaknesses and failures, and in debt up to our eyeballs, while tens of thousands of troops and massive infusions of cash are mustered ostensibly to fight a terrorist outfit that may number in the low hundreds or at most thousands, that, by all accounts, isn’t now even based in Afghanistan, and that has shown itself perfectly capable of settling into broken states like Somalia or well functioning cities like Hamburg.

(2)  Measuring Success

Sometime later this month, the Obama administration will present Congress with “metrics” for… well, since this isn’t the Bush era, we can’t say “victory.” In the style of special envoy to the region Richard Holbrooke, let’s call it “success.” Holbrooke recently offered this definition of that word, evidently based on the standards the Supreme Court used to define pornography: “We’ll know it when we see it.”

According to Karen DeYoung of the Washington Post, the Obama administration is reportedly rushing to “preempt Congress with its own metrics.” It’s producing a document called a Strategic Implementation Plan, which, DeYoung writes, “will include separate ‘indicators’ of progress under nine broad ‘objectives’ to be measured quarterly… Some of the about 50 indicators will apply to U.S. performance, but most will measure Afghan and Pakistani efforts.” These are to include supposedly measurable categories like numbers of newly trained Afghan army recruits and the timeliness of the delivery of promised U.S. resources.

The administration is evidently now “tweaking” its metrics. But let’s admit it: metrics in war almost invariably turn out to occupy treacherous terrain. Think of it as quagmire territory, in part because numbers, however accurate (and they often aren’t), can lie — or rather, can tell the story you would like them to tell.

The Vietnam War was a classic metrics war. Sometimes it seemed that Americans in Vietnam did nothing but invent new ways of measuring success. There were, for instance, the eighteen indices of the Hamlet Evaluation System, each meant to calibrate the “progress” of “pacification” in South Vietnam’s 2,300 villages and almost 13,000 hamlets, focusing largely on “rural security” and “development.” Then there were the many indices of the Measurement of Progress system, its monthly reports, produced in slide form, including “strength trends of the opposing forces, efforts of friendly forces in sorties… enemy base areas neutralized,” and so on. For visiting congressional delegations, the commander of U.S. forces, Gen. William Westmoreland, had his “attrition charts,” multicolored bar graphs illustrating various “trends” in death and destruction. Commanders in the field had their own sophisticated ways to codify “kill ratios,” while on the ground, where the actual counting had to be done in dangerous circumstances, all of this translated far more crudely into the MGR, or, as the grunts sometimes said, the “Mere Gook Rule” — “If it’s dead and it’s Vietnamese, it’s VC [Vietcong].” In other words, when pressure came down for the “body count,” any body would do.

The problem was that none of the official metrics managed to measure what mattered most in Vietnam. History may not simply repeat itself, but there’s good reason to look askance at whatever set of metrics the Obama administration manages to devise. After all, as in the Vietnam years, Obama’s people, too, will be mustering numbers in search of “success”; they, too, will be measuring “progress.” And those numbers — like the Vietnam era body counts — will have to come up from below (with all the attendant pressures). By the time they reach Washington, they are likely to have the best possible patina on them.

With the delivery of those new metrics to Congress seemingly imminent, I thought I might offer my own set of Afghan metrics for the worst year of the present war. Think of this as basic math for Americans. (All figures cited below are linked to their sources. If a figure has no link, just click on the nearest previous link.)

(3)  Costs

  • Annual funding for U.S. combat operations in Afghanistan, 2002: $20.8 billion.
  • Annual funding for U.S. combat operations in Afghanistan, 2009: $60.2 billion.
  • Total funds for U.S. combat operations in Afghanistan, 2002-2009: $228.2 billion.
  • War-fighting funds requested by the Obama administration for 2010: $68 billion (a figure which will, for the first time since 2003, exceed funds requested for Iraq).
  • Funds recently requested by U.S. Ambassador Karl Eikenberry for non-military spending in Afghanistan, 2010: $2.5 billion.
  • Funds spent since 2001 on Afghan “reconstruction”: $38 billion (“more than half of it on training and equipping Afghan security forces”).
  • Percentage of U.S. funding in Afghanistan that has gone for military purposes: Nearly 90%.
  • Estimated U.S. funds needed to support and upgrade Afghan forces for the next decade: $4 billion a year (“with a like sum for development”) according to former Assistant Secretary of Defense Bing West. (According to the Brookings Institution’s Michael O’Hanlon, “It’s a reasonable guess that for 20 years, we essentially will have to fund half the Afghan budget.”)
  • Afghan gross national product: $23 billion (“the size of Boise” Idaho’s, writes columnist George Will) — about $3 billion of it from opium production.
  • Annual budget of the Afghan government: $600 million.
  • Maintenance cost for the force of 450,000 Afghan soldiers and police U.S. generals dream of creating: approximately 500% of the Afghan budget.
  • Amount spent on police “mentoring and training” since 2001: $10 billion.
  • Percentage of the more than 400 Afghan National Police units “still incapable of running their operations independently”: 75% (2008 figures).
  • Cost of the latest upgrade of Bagram Air Base (an old Soviet base that has become the largest American base in Afghanistan): $220 million.
  • Cost of a single recent Pentagon contract to DynCorp International Inc. and Fluor Corporation “to build and support U.S. military bases throughout Afghanistan”: up to $15 billion.

(4)  War-Fighting

  • Number of American troops killed in Afghanistan, 2001: 12.
  • Number of American troops killed in Afghanistan, 2009 (through September 7th): 186
  • Total number of coalition (NATO and American) deaths in 2009 thus far: 311, making this the deadliest year for those forces since the war began.
  • Number of Lithuanian troops killed in Afghanistan: 1
  • Two worst months of the Afghan War in terms of coalition deaths: July (71) and August (74) 2009.
  • U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan, 2002: 5,200.
  • Expected U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan, December 2009: 68,000.
  • Percentage rise in Taliban attacks on coalition forces using Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) in 2009 (compared to the same period in 2008): 114%.
  • Rise in Coalition deaths from IED attacks in July 2009 (compared to July 2008): six-fold.
  • Percentage increase in overall Taliban attacks in the first five months of 2009 (compared to the same period in 2008): 59%.
  • Number of U.S. regional command centers in Afghanistan: 4 (at Kandahar, Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif, and Bagram).
  • Number of U.S. prisons and holding centers: approximately 36 “overcrowded and often violent sites” with 15,000 detainees.
  • Number of U.S. bases: at least 74 in northern Afghanistan alone, with more being built. (The total number of U.S. bases in Afghanistan seems not to be available.)
  • Estimated cost per troop of maintaining U.S. forces in Afghanistan when compared to Iraq: 30% higher.
  • Number of gallons of fuel per day used by the U.S. Marines in Afghanistan: 800,000.
  • Cost of a single gallon of gas delivered to the Afghan war zone on long, cumbersome, and dangerously embattled supply lines: Up to $100.
  • Number of gallons of fuel used to keep Marine tents cool in the Afghan summer and warm in winter: 448,000 gallons.
  • Number of troops from Georgia (not the U.S. state, but the country) being prepared by U.S. Marine trainers to be dispatched to Afghanistan to fight in spring 2010: 750.
  • Number of Colombian commandos to be sent to Afghanistan: Unknown, but Colombian commandos, trained by U.S. Special Forces and financed by the U.S. government, are reportedly to be dispatched there to fight alongside U.S. troops. (Note that both Georgia and Colombia are dependent on U.S. aid and support. Note also that neither the Georgians nor the Colombians would assumedly be bound by the sort of restrictive fighting rules that limit the actions of some NATO forces in Afghanistan.)
  • Percentage of American spy planes and unmanned aerial vehicles now devoted to Afghanistan: 66% (33% are in Iraq).
  • Number of American bombs dropped in Afghanistan in the first six months of 2009: 2,011 (a fall of 24% from the previous year, thanks evidently to a directive from U.S. commanding general in Afghanistan, Stanley A. McChrystal, limiting air attacks when civilians might be present).
  • Number of Afghan civilian deaths recorded by the U.N. January-July 2009: 1,013, a rise of 24% from the same period in 2008. (Unfortunately, Afghan deaths are generally covered sparingly, on an incident by incident basis, as in the deaths of an Afghan family traveling to a wedding party in August, assumedly due to a Taliban-planted IED, or the recent controversial U.S. bombing of two stolen oil tankers in Kunduz Province in which many civilians seem to have died. Anything like the total number of Afghans killed in these years remains unknown, but what numbers we have are undoubtedly undercounts.)

(5)  Escalation

  • Number of additional troops General McChrystal is expected to recommend that President Obama send to Afghanistan in the coming months: 21,000 to 45,000, according to the McClatchy Newspapers; 10,000 to 15,000 (“described as a high-risk option”), 25,000 (“a medium-risk option”), 45,000 (“a low-risk option”), according to the New York Times; fewer than 10,000, according to the Associated Press.
  • Number of support troops Defense Department officials are planning to replace with “trigger-pullers” (combat troops) in the coming months, effectively an escalation in place: 6,000-14,000. (“The changes will not offset the potential need for additional troops in the future, but could reduce the size of any request… officials said.”)
  • Number of additional NATO forces General McChrystal will reportedly ask for: 20,000.
  • Optimal number of additional Afghan National Army (ANA) troops to be trained by 2012, according to reports on General McChrystal’s draft plan: 162,000. (According to Naval Postgraduate School professor Thomas H. Johnson and retired Foreign Service officer M. Chris Mason,”[T]he U.S. military touts 91,000 ANA soldiers as ‘trained and equipped,’ knowing full well that barely 39,000 are still in the ranks and present for duty.”)

(6)  Public Opinion

  • Percentage of Americans opposed to the war in Afghanistan: 57%, according to the latest CNN poll, an 11% rise since April. Only 42% now support the war.
  • Percentage of Republicans who support the war: 70%, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll.
  • Percentage of Americans who approve of President’s Obama’s handling of the war: 48%, according to the latest CBS poll, a drop of 8 points since April. (Support for increasing the number of troops in Afghanistan is now at just 25%, down 14% from April.)
  • Percentage of British who feel their forces should be withdrawn from Afghanistan: 59%.
  • Percentage of Germans opposed to that country’s 4,000 troop commitment to Afghanistan: More than 70%.

(7)  The Presidential Election

  • Estimated cost of staging the 2009 Afghan presidential election: $500 million.
  • Number of complaints of voting irregularities: More than 2,500 and still climbing, 691 of them described as “serious charges.”
  • Number of members of the “Independent Election Commission” not appointed by Afghan President (and presidential candidate) Hamid Karzai: 0.
  • Cost of blank voting-registration cards in Ghazni Province in May 2009: $200 for 200 blank registration cards.
  • Cost of such a card purchased by “an undercover Afghan journalist working for the BBC” this fall: $8.
  • Number of voter registration cards (not including fakes) reportedly distributed countrywide: 17 million or almost twice the estimated number of eligible voters.
  • Number of ballots cast at the Hajji Janat Gul High School polling place, half an hour from the center of Kabul: 600.
  • Number of votes recorded for Karzai at that polling station: 996. (Number of votes for other candidates: 5.)
  • Number of ballots marked for Karzai and shipped to Kabul from 45 polling sites in Shorabak District in Southern Afghanistan that were shut down by local officials connected to Karzai before voting could begin: 23,900.
  • Number of fake polling sites set up by backers of Karzai where no one voted but hundreds of thousands of votes were recorded: as many as 800, according to the New York Times. (Another 800 actual polling sites were taken over by Karzai supporters “to fraudulently report tens of thousands of additional ballots for Mr. Karzai.”)
  • Number of ballots in Karzai’s home province, Kandahar, where an estimated 25,000 Afghans actually voted, submitted to be counted: approximately 350,000.

(8)  Private Contractors

  • Number of military contractors hired by the Pentagon in Afghanistan by the end of June 2009: Almost 74,000, nearly two-thirds of them local hires, a 9% rise over the previous three months.
  • Percentage of the Pentagon’s force in Afghanistan made up of contractors in March 2009: 57%.
  • Ranking for the percentage of contractors used by the Pentagon in Afghanistan: highest in any conflict in U.S. history.

(9)  Diplomats and the Civilian Surge

  • Cost of new “crash” program to expand the U.S. “diplomatic presence” in Afghanistan and Pakistan: $1 billion. ($736 million of which is slated for the construction of a massive new embassy/regional headquarters in Islamabad, Pakistan.)
  • Number of additional U.S. government personnel reportedly slated to be sent to Pakistan to augment the 750 civilians already there: almost 1,000.
  • Expected number of U.S. government civilians to be posted at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan by the end of 2009: 976. (There were 562 at the end of 2008 and there are now reportedly more than 1,000 diplomats, staff, and Afghan nationals already working there.)
  • Estimated total number of civilians to be assigned to the U.S. Embassy in Kabul as part of a proposed ongoing “civilian surge” by 2011: 1,350 (800 to be posted in Kabul, 550 outside the capital).
  • Cost of the State Department’s five-year contract with Xe Services (formerly Blackwater) to provide security for U.S. diplomats in Afghanistan: $210 million.
  • Cost of the State Department’s contract with ArmorGroup North America, a subsidiary of U.S.-based Wackenhutt Services Inc., to guard the U.S. Embassy in Kabul: $189 million.
  • Number of private guards provided by ArmorGroup North America: 450, based at Camp Sullivan, several miles from the embassy compound where they reportedly engaged in Lord of the Flies-style behavior.

(10)  The Metrics of Success

  • Defense Secretary Robert Gates on success in Afghanistan: It will take “a few years” to defeat the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
  • Admiral “Mike” Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Meet the Press: “I believe we’ve got to start to turn this thing around from a security standpoint in the next 12 to 18 months.” (He would not directly answer the “how long” question.)
  • Senate Foreign Relations Committee report on the Afghan War: “None of the civilian officials or military officers interviewed in Afghanistan and elsewhere expected substantial progress in the short term. They talked in terms of years two, five and 10… Military officials believe the Afghanistan mission can only succeed if troops are there far longer — anywhere from five years to 12 years.”
  • Military experts cited by Walter Pincus of the Washington Post warn: “[T]he United States is taking on security and political commitments that will last at least a decade and a cost that will probably eclipse that of the Iraq war.”
  • Anthony H. Cordesman, a member of a “team” put together by U.S. commanding general in Afghanistan Stanley A. McChrystal to assess war strategy, and a national security expert for the Center for Strategic and International Studies: “told reporters recently that even with military gains in the next 12 to 18 months, it would take years to reduce sharply the threat from the Taliban and other insurgent forces.”
  • Robert Dreyfuss of the Nation summarizing the opinions of a panel of experts on the Afghan War, including Bruce Riedel, a 30-year CIA veteran and adviser to four presidents, who chaired President Obama’s Afghan task force, two McChrystal task force members, Kim Kagan and Cordesman, and the Brooking Institution’s Michael O’Hanlon: “(1) A significant escalation of the war will be necessary to avoid utter defeat. (2) Even if tens of thousands of troops are added to the US occupation, it won’t be possible to determine if the US/NATO effort is succeeding until eighteen months later. (3) Even if the United States turns the tide in Afghanistan, no significant drawdown of US forces will take place until five years have passed.” (Riedel commented: “Anyone who thinks that in 12 to 18 months we’re going to be anywhere close to victory is living in a fantasy.”)
  • New chief of staff of the British Army, General Sir David Richards: “The Army’s role will evolve, but the whole process might take as long as 30 to 40 years.” (After much criticism, he retracted the statement.)
  • New NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen: NATO’s mission in Afghanistan will last “as long as it takes” to ensure that the country is secure.The Metrics of Success

(11)  Afghanistan by the Numbers

  • Cost of a Kalashnikov rifle in Afghanistan today: $400-600.
  • Cost of a Kalakov (the Afghan name for a new model of Kalashnikov): $1,100. (For a $150 surcharge, you can have it delivered to southern Afghanistan.)
  • Cost of a kilo of heroin in Afghanistan: $2,500. (Cost of that same kilo in Moscow: an estimated $100,000.)
  • Cost in police bribes of getting contraband into or out of Afghanistan: “$20 on each weapon, $100 for a kilo of heroin and $1,000 for each thousand kilos of hashish.”
  • Afghanistan’s ranking among the globe’s “weakest states,” according to the Brookings Institution: second weakest. (It is also regularly referred to as the world’s fourth poorest country.)
  • Unemployment rate in Afghanistan, according to the CIA World Factbook: 40% (2008 figures).
  • Monthly wage for Afghan National Police: $110 (less than $4 per day).
  • Daily wage Taliban reputedly pays its fighters: $4-8. (Often the only “job” available.)
  • How long it may take to get a case through a government court (with bribes): 4-5 years.
  • How long it may take to get a case through a Taliban court (without bribes): 1 day.
  • Number of registered Afghan refugees still in Iran and Pakistan: 3 million.
  • Number of al-Qaeda base camps estimated to be in Afghanistan today: 0. (All reputable experts seem agreed on this.)

(12)  The Next War

  • The price tag the Obama administration’s budget team reportedly put on U.S. future wars almost every year through 2019: More than $100 billion a year.
  • The cost of equipping seven Army brigades with a Boeing advanced coordinated system of hand-held drones, robots, sensors, and other battlefield surveillance equipment over the next two years: $2 billion.
  • Date when all 73 Army active and reserve brigades will be equipped with the system: 2025.

(13)  What Can’t Be Measured

Here’s a conundrum to be considered and filed away under the rubric “impossible to measure” as you leave the world of Afghan War metrics: The U.S. continues to struggle to train Afghan police and soldiers who will actually turn out and fight with discipline (see above). In the meantime, as a recent Washington Post piece by Karen DeYoung indicated, the Taliban regularly turn out fighters who are reportedly using ever more sophisticated and tenacious fire-and-maneuver techniques against the overwhelming firepower of U.S. and NATO forces. (“To many of the Americans, it appeared as if the insurgents had attended something akin to the U.S. Army’s Ranger school, which teaches soldiers how to fight in small groups in austere environments.”)

Both groups are, of course, Afghans. It might be worth considering why “their” Afghans are the fierce fighters of history books and legend and ours, despite billions of dollars and massive training efforts, are not. This puzzling situation had its parallel in Vietnam decades ago when American military advisors regularly claimed they would give up a division of U.S.-trained South Vietnamese forces for a single battalion of “VC.”

Here’s something to carry away with you: Life is invariably hard when you set up your massive embassies, your regional command centers, your election advisors, your private security guards, your military trainers and advisors, your diplomats and civilian enablers and then try to come up with a formula for motivating the locals to do your bidding.

(13)  Notes

Thanks for help in researching this piece goes, first and foremost, to Nick Turse — with a small bow to Frida Berrigan as well. Crucial websites, if you want to keep up-to-date on Afghanistan, include Juan Cole’s Informed Comment, which has recently focused an ever more laser-like beam of analysis on events in that country, the invaluable Antiwar.com (especially Jason Ditz’s daily summaries), the War in Context (not to be missed more generally on “the Greater Middle East”); Rethink Afghanistan, and Foreign Policy’s the Af/Pak Channel. If you want to download a “cost of war” counter to your computer, check out the National Priorities Project website.

Copyright 2009 Tom Engelhardt

(14)  About the author

Tom Engelhardt, co-founder of the American Empire Project, runs the Nation Institute’s TomDispatch.com. He is the author of The End of Victory Culture, a history of the Cold War and beyond, as well as of a novel, The Last Days of Publishing. He also edited The World According to TomDispatch: America in the New Age of Empire (Verso, 2008), an alternative history of the mad Bush years.

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(15-b)  For more information about this topic

To see all posts about our new wars:

About our wars in the Middle East and sub-continent:

  1. A guide to our Middle East Wars – change you cannot see, 31 March 2009
  2. Is America a destabilizing force in the world?, 23 January 2009
  3. “Going for Broke – 6 ways the Af-Pak War is Expanding” – Engelhardt, 26 May 2009
  4. Can we answer SecDef Gates’ question about NATO and the Af-Pak War?, 19 May 2009
  5. Advice about our long war – “It’s the tribes, stupid”, 10 June 2009
  6. “War without end”, a great article by George Wilson, 27 June 2009
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12 Comments leave one →
  1. Mongo permalink
    9 September 2009 2:45 am

    Wasn’t it Napoleon who said moral is to the physical as 10 is to 1? If it wasn’t, whoever said it sure knew what they were talking about. What would it take to motivate an Afghani soldier or policeman to fight and possibly die for the Karzai regime? The US needs to frame the argument for the war in a way that would appeal to the average Afghani tribesman. A real-life Mission Impossible.
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    Fabius Maximus replies: The earliest know version of this is ‘‘Even in war, moral power is to physical as 3 parts of 4.’’ Attributed to Napoleon in “Treasury of Thought” by Maturin M. Ballou (Boston: Houghton, Mifflin, 1899). You can download it from Google Books (36 meg).

    It remains as true and underappreciated today as in 1899 — or when first said.

  2. Mikyo permalink
    9 September 2009 3:31 am

    Step one. We admitted that we were powerless over greed, that our military had become unmanageable, that our government was out of control.

  3. Jonathan permalink
    9 September 2009 4:19 am

    I think the fact that we have invested 8 years in Afghanistan colors our judgment about the continuation of this war. It is hard to let go and cut our losses. I don’t know why I did not think about this before, but I just read Pat Buchanan’s latest column which presented this interesting question: “Obama at the Rubicon“, 8 September 2009:

    “Consider. If there were no Americans in Afghanistan today, and the Taliban were on the verge of victory, how many of us would demand the dispatch of 68,000 troops to fight to prevent it? Few, if any, one imagines.”

    Thinking about it this way, I would not support sending troops to prevent a Taliban takeover. I might support sanctions and aid to the current government, but I would not support a major occupation.

  4. Sera permalink
    9 September 2009 5:41 am

    Before we had terrorists training in camps. Now we have terrorists with eight years of live fire real world combat training and PR experience. We have acted like a destabilizing force, and I fail to see how this makes us safer. Afghanistan by the Numbers is a real eye opener, thanks.

  5. 9 September 2009 1:43 pm

    Juan Cole sheds more light on the axis linking Chechnya, Russia, Afghanistan, and heroin:

    Meanwhile, even as many NATO nations have become lukewarm about their involvement in Afghanistan, Russia is proving more helpful to the US now. Russian PM Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev are afraid of Taliban militancy fanning the flames of revolt in provinces such as Chechnya. They also fear that Afghanistan’s poppy trade is hooking Russian youth on heroin and exacerbating Russia’s demographic decline, threatening a further deterioration in its geo-political power. Russia now has about 141 mn. people, but it was 146 mn. or more in 1991. Its population is continuing to decline as deaths outstrip births every year, though the rate of decline has slowed. But Medvedev estimates that the country has as many as 2.5 mn. addicts, 2/3s of them under the age of 30. Afghan heroin is thus in danger of accelerating the population loss again. (Much of the population loss probably has to do with alcohol abuse by men to begin with, though the economic collapse and capitalist “shock therapy” may be implicated, as well). Since Afghanistan is now the source of 85% of the world’s heroin, and since the poppy-growers thrive in a failed-state environment, the Russian Federation increasingly has an interest in seeing order imposed on Afghanistan and the poppy production slashed.

  6. Oblat permalink
    9 September 2009 2:21 pm

    “Before we had terrorists training in camps.”

    Before we had empty terrorist training camps. They had been vacated 5 months before 9/11.
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    Fabius Maximus replies: This fascination with the camps is absurd. The 9-11 commission was clear that the camps provided no material support to the 9-11 planning, training, or execution. For excepts see here.

  7. senecal permalink
    9 September 2009 3:45 pm

    Duncan @ #5:
    I dont trust Juan Cole anymore. He seems to have morphed into an administration voice. Russia’s cooperation in Afghanistan, if true, is motivated by other reasons. The ring of US military bases around the Caucusus must be of far greater concern to Russia than the drug trade or the Taliban (which are mutually exclusive, btw.)

    Wars and military providers are now one of the major pillars of our economy, along with finance, insurance and drugs. War for the military providers is the equivalent of bail-outs for financial institutions, or the requirement of mandatory health policies for the insurance industry. The federal budget is now primarily a means of channelling taxpayer money to the major business sectors — what’s sometimes called socialism for the rich. To pay for this, genuine social programs like Social Security and Medicare are going to be cut.
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    Fabius Maximus replies: You need not trust Cole; most of this is from “Russia urges tougher U.S.-led action on Afghan drugs“, Reuters, 8 September 2009.

  8. Captain Ramen permalink
    9 September 2009 6:39 pm

    Senecal,

    Since Afghanistan is in Russia’s, China’s and India’s back yard, it should be *their* problem. As we are just spinning our wheels in Afghanistan, our only accomplishment is pissing off the Russians and Chinese needlessly.

  9. anna nicholas permalink
    9 September 2009 10:52 pm

    For $12 billion / year , could employ total Afghan male adult population at $5/day ?

  10. 9 September 2009 11:37 pm

    There’s a type of monkey trap where you bore a hole in a tethered coconut just large enough to admit a hand properly threaded in. Inside the trap you place a treat, a nut say. The monkey puts his hand into the trap, and grabs the nut. Now his hand is stuck unless he drops the nut. You can walk right up to the trapped monkey and put him in a bag. He still won’t drop the nut. Amazing. Stupid monkey.

  11. Jack permalink
    14 September 2009 2:58 am

    It seems you don’t understand. The wars were/are undertaken for the benefit for the elite. They know all about using other peoples money and lives to achieve their goals.

    Main Street (the sheeple) is but a host to these parasites. If it dies they find another host. Surely these are folks with dual citizenship, residences, assets scattered throughout the world, etc. It would be no issue at all for them to flee a bankrupt, hellhole US and never be the worst for it.

  12. mattbnh permalink
    14 September 2009 7:55 pm

    I had to laugh at the voting figures: 25000 Afghans cast 350000 votes! That is like the voting for MLBs All Star game, not a national election. Though it is nice to see an Asian nation take to heart an American principle of democracy (vote early and vote often).

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