“Rise of Skywalker” – I saw it so that you won’t have to

Summary: Do not see this film. Instead hit the tip jar on the left sidebar, then stay home and watch a great old film. You will save a few bucks and not waste several hours of your life.

Rey in "Rise of Skywalker"

The original Star Wars trilogy will become classics, watched 50 years from now. The Force Awakens re-told Star Wars for a new generation, as is routinely done with myths. It serviceably compressed the original trilogy into one film. Why not, since we already know the story? It did so according to the canons of our time (e.g, the leading character is a Mary Sue).

Next came The Last Jedi – B-grade sci-fi with weak acting, turgid dialogue, and a bizarre plot – the Hollywood machine running on its default setting. Turn out product for the peons and grab the cash. Rise of Skywalker is more of the same. The plot consists of quests, the most over-used of stale plot devices. The Scooby gang must find a dagger, do stuff to translate its inscription, then find a pyramid-shaped thing. At each step there is a shoot-out with their pitiful enemies, whom they mow down like wheat. Most of the film’s action is as pointless as the excursion to Las-Vegas-planet in The Last Jedi, showing the writers’ total lack of imagination.

The film’s structure and action are that of a video game. Lots of running, jumping, and shooting, plus many long lightsaber fights (which J. J. Abrams considers fascinating). Things happen for no reason. The Force is now magic; the new super-Jedi-SIth pull whatever magic the scene demands from their asses. Bizarre coincidences – one after another – drive the plot. There is no sense of time or space (the galaxy appears to be as large as Iowa City). Much of the action is idiotic. The film appears to have been designed by writers brainstorming ideas, all of which went into the film in the order in which they were written on the white board.

Remember the thrilling scene in the trailer when a space fighter zooms at high speed towards Rey, skimming a few feet off the ground. We learn that was Kylo and he wasn’t going to kill her. OK, what was his intention? To tousle her hair?

The major characters are boring, as is their dialog (the worst I can recall in a major film). They lack the character development that drove the first trilogy. The key Rey – Kylo relationship is that of bickering wise sister and her impetuous weak brother, which drains the plot of tension. Worst of all: the super bad guy did not read his copy of Peter Anspach’s “The Top 100 Things I’d Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord.

  1. All slain enemies will have several rounds of ammunition emptied into them, not just be left for dead.

The big plot driver is Rey’s ascension to godhood. Literally so. She is like Jesus, but with no explanation of why she seems more powerful than the previous thousand generations of Jedi. She makes Yoda, with his 900 years of experience, look like a padawan. What kind of regime will the Galactic Republic Mark 3 have, with six people around the Cabinet table – and Jesus?

Daisy Ridley as Rey
Daisy Ridley as Rey.

Role of women in the new Star Wars saga

“Ridley has to spend another adventure staring with pensive urgency, dutifully waiting to find out what character she’s playing.”
Darren Franich at Entertainment Weekly.

Science fiction has long given leading roles to women. In Flight to Mars (1951), two of the five scientists shown were women – and equal to the men. But science fiction films often drag, and handsome men and hot women helped keep the audience’s interest. Lucas followed this tradition in the original Star Wars, allegedly telling Carrie Fisher (Leia) that there were “no bras in space.” And so it was. But now “pandering to the male gaze” is an insult to women.

Naomi Ackie as Jannah. Not exciting, or even interesting.

Naomi Ackie as Jannah.
Naomi Ackie as Jannah.

Contrast the portrayal of the women in Skywalker – sexless outfits, boring demeanor – with that of the men. The actresses are prisoners of the canons of socialist realism theater. Daisy Ridley’s flat affect is boring (not as bad as Brie Larson in Captain Marvel, quite unlike Gal Gadot in Wonder Woman).” I suspect critics applaud Ridley’s performance for political reasons. Politics dominates many of the reviews (see below). But Oscar Isaac as Poe and John Boyega as Finn are macho, showing a wide range of expressions. This, of course, reflects the film’s writing and direction, not the relative appearances or skills of the actors and actresses.

From Flight to Mars(1951).
Also a simple plot, but it held my interest during the slow parts.

From "Flight to Mars"(1951).
Marguerite Chapman as Alita, a leading scientist on Mars. Imagine the fights over setting the thermostat in that building.

Ditto for the relations between the characters. The first Star Wars films had a strong romance. Now everybody must be comrades in the great project, without bourgeois emotionalism. This gives it the emotional heft of a grade school play.

Reading the critics was more fun than watching the film.

Most critics reluctantly spend a few words discussing Skywalker as a film. Instead they are connoisseurs of CGI and abstractions. The reviews have much vague verbiage about the different directors’ visions, and if they are sufficiently unique and subverting.

Most critics blame “fanboys” and “fan service” for the film’s weaknesses, as if the audience forced the writers to produce schlock. Those darn proles – men! – ruining the work of Hollywood’s artistes! They are supposed to pay for the PC entertainment they are given and obediently applaud. Many critics scream about those “racists and sexists”, as critics practice their new roles as mutaween (Saudi religious police) enforcing Leftists’ version of Hisbah (prescribe good and forbid wrong). Two examples of this …

  • “Lunatics in MAGA hats took endless digs at The Last Jedi ….” (Source.)
  • “After experiencing Donald Trump, Palpatine is corny not intimidating.” (Source.)

There were some fun reviews, often more creative than the film. Two examples …

“The most significant answers are blurted out mid-film with little effort made to prepare or to dramatise. It’s as if some passer-by yelled “Rosebud? It was a sledge” halfway through Citizen Kane. …Nobody is ever really dead in this universe. …By the close one half-expects to see Bambi’s mother return.” (Donald Clark in The Irish Times.)

“The movie consists of a bunch of random events and, if you pause long enough to consider things like plot and motivation (something you’re not supposed to do), it becomes evident that most of the movie doesn’t make any sense. Add to that an anti-climactic ending, scattershot editing, and too many extraneous characters …. The Rise of Skywalker feels like something that was slapped together without much concern for logic, consistency, or coherence.” (James Berardinelli at ReelViews.)

Conclusion

If you are over 18 and watch the film, you will thank The Force when it ends. If it makes a billion dollars, Disney’s financial engineers will be proven right – and all future films will be made just as cans of dog food are manufactured (keep it clean, sell it fast). This would be a loss to America. Films are in some ways the major media by which we communicate our national myths to a new generation. Hollywood totally abandoning that will leave us weaker.

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34 thoughts on ““Rise of Skywalker” – I saw it so that you won’t have to”

  1. Ummm- the novel ‘Starship Troopers’ had women playing lead roles in Earh’s armed forces. Rico, the protagonist, even says women are better starship pilots.
    My knowledge is weak, but a survey of space/star travel syfy novels I have read often have had women in key roles. Just offering ya know…

    1. Ruby,

      “My knowledge is weak, but a survey of space/star travel syfy novels I have read often have had women in key roles. Just offering ya know…”

      You appear to be giving a rebuttal to me. Let’s replay the tape and see what I said.

      “Science fiction has long given leading roles to women.”

      I then gave an example from a 1951 film.

    2. So? Are you implying that women somehow can’t play compelling roles in major motion pictures? Or that the author of this critique has some unstated misogynist motivation?

      1. poetentiate,

        “Or that the author of this critique has some unstated misogynist motivation?”

        Just to be clear, I say the opposite of “women can’t play compelling roles in major motion pictures.” I said “Science fiction has long given leading roles to women” gave two specific examples (new and old films): Gal Gadot in Wonder Woman and Marguerite Chapman in Flight to Mars.”

        As for Skywalker, I explicitly assign blame: “This, of course, reflects the film’s writing and direction, not the relative appearances or skills of the actors and actresses.”

        My guess (guess!) is that Ruby just skimmed the review, reading it thru thick ideological lens that showed only what she expected.

  2. “The big plot driver is Rey’s ascension to godhood. Literally so. She is like Jesus, but with no explanation of why she seems more powerful than the previous thousand generations of Jedi. ”

    In contrast to Rey. Jesus was greatly humbled and suffered horribly for the sake of his people.

    In contrast to Rey. Jesus had a much more substantive goal and clear ways to get there.

    In contrast to Rey. Jesus still had to work hard as a Mason/Carpenter for most of his life.

    Jesus even being God in human flesh had to earn salvation for mankind and make the renewal of the cosmos possible by his own immense sacrifice.

    1. info,

      But Rey had it tougher than Jesus. God told Jesus His parentage, whereas Rey spent 3 films seeking that.

      “Jesus was greatly humbled”

      Rey is quite humble!

      “and suffered horribly for the sake of his people.”

      I think Rey had her mussed a little once or twice. She often grimaced, showing her immense exertion. One for you!

      “Jesus had a much more substantive goal and clear ways to get there.”

      Rey had the substantive goal of freeing the galaxy from the First Order, and then from Palpatine.

      “Jesus still had to work hard as a Mason/Carpenter for most of his life.”

      Rey worked as a scavenger for most of her life (plus taking the Learning-By-Mail courses in Advanced StarShip Piloting and Advanced StarShip Mechanics).

      “renewal of the cosmos possible by his own immense sacrifice.”

      That’s because Jesus was a guy. Women heroes redeem the universe by breathing (ie, by their very existence). They easily and quickly defeat the bad guys. See Wonder Woman. So they’re better!

      1. @Larry Kummer

        “That’s because Jesus was a guy. Women heroes redeem the universe by breathing (ie, by their very existence). They easily and quickly defeat the bad guys. See Wonder Woman. So they’re better!”

        Perhaps because wonder woman is a much more pleasant person and Rey just seemed like a bitchy woman at one time slapping away Fin’s hand saying: “Don’t Touch Me”. Or that a terrible story helped to make Rey look very bad.

        Alita Battle Angel I liked much better.

        Maybe its no sot much the Mary Sue but what kind of person she is or simply that the quality of the story makes a massive difference.

        “Rey worked as a scavenger for most of her life (plus taking the Learning-By-Mail courses in Advanced StarShip Piloting and Advanced StarShip Mechanics).”

        As I said in another comment. Very unbelievable that she is able to master the Millennium Falcon far better than Han Solo as if to supplant him. At the same time Rey is elevated White Male Characters like Luke Skywalker is torn down. Perhaps this is the real reason making me suspect a political agenda behind her character.

        If Rey were simply standalone powerful I probably wouldn’t be so irritated or hate her character so much.

        “The essential element of a Mary Sue – from its origin in fan fiction – is that everybody loves her/him (other than the evil ones). A recurring theme in the Harry Potter books is the hostility he receives from those around him. First from his Uncle. Then in several books from his fellow students (eg, brutally so Gobblet of Fire). Eventually, he is a criminal on the run. He has his ups and downs. His life is not the joyous parade typical of a Mary Sue.”

        I think that’s why there is a distinction between overpowered male vs female characters. Gary Stu’s aren’t always liked. Gary Stu’s can be hated even by most people.

        I think that’s why Harry potter is more relatable.

        I should not respond by phone in the future. Since I need to think through my responses more carefully.

    2. Also I made a distinction between Gary Stu and Mary Sue. Gary Stu’s are a more active form in contrast to the Mary Sue.

      And Harry Potter is a Mary Sue in my opinion according to this definition.

      He is not simply awesome for existing. He had to earn it and prove it again and again, have clear goals and still have to work hard doing so.

      Anyway I think this will be a better use of your time(featuring a Gary Stu):

      1. info,

        These are loose terms. I don’t believe “Mary Sue” is a gendered term, which is why my post about Mary Sues gave examples of male “Mary Sues” – the most obvious being Superman.

        “Harry Potter is a Mary Sue in my opinion according to this definition.”

        The essential element of a Mary Sue – from its origin in fan fiction – is that everybody loves her/him (other than the evil ones). A recurring theme in the Harry Potter books is the hostility he receives from those around him. First from his Uncle. Then in several books from his fellow students (eg, brutally so Gobblet of Fire). Eventually, he is a criminal on the run. He has his ups and downs. His life is not the joyous parade typical of a Mary Sue.

        “He had to earn it and prove it again and again, have clear goals and still have to work hard doing so.”

        Superman and Wonder Women are almost identical “Mary Sue” characters in modern fiction.

      2. @Larry Kummer

        “The essential element of a Mary Sue – from its origin in fan fiction – is that everybody loves her/him (other than the evil ones). A recurring theme in the Harry Potter books is the hostility he receives from those around him. First from his Uncle. Then in several books from his fellow students (eg, brutally so Gobblet of Fire). Eventually, he is a criminal on the run. He has his ups and downs. His life is not the joyous parade typical of a Mary Sue.”

        Yet he is far more likable than Rey. And it seems he earned the respect of the academy and of the Audience.

        “He had to earn it and prove it again and again, have clear goals and still have to work hard doing so.”

        Superman and Wonder Women are almost identical “Mary Sue” characters in modern fiction.”

        Yet they manage to be likable and earn our admiration. They did much to earn their role. And they seemed to have clear goals as well.

      3. info,

        “it seems he (Harry Potter) earned the respect of the academy and of the Audience.”

        You are missing the point, brutually so. A Mary Sue is loved by all; its one of the defining characteristics (eg, Rey, Superman). Many (not all) male heroes are disliked by their fellows either always or for periods. Much as Jesus was, jeered and mocked by the crowds at the end. That does not mean that everybody hates them, or that they are always hated. As I showed, Potter fits this perfectly.

        “They did much to earn their role.”

        Did you see the films? Rey works very hard, and shows many estimable character traits. She earns her keep working as a scavenger. She readily joins the Rebellion. She undertakes difficult and dangerous tasks. In those respects, she is as heroic and noble as any other hero. She “earns” admiration as much as Superman and WW. I mean, how much more could she do?

        It is her powers that are unearned, achieved without training. Until the Skywalker film, where they showed her training. A bit offset by her demonstrating god-like powers beyond those shown by anybody in the previous films.

      4. “These are loose terms. I don’t believe “Mary Sue” is a gendered term, which is why my post about Mary Sues gave examples of male “Mary Sues”

        I disagree on that one. Due to the fact that even in story telling most male “Mary Sues” are written in a distinct way that is somewhat different from the most of the female “Mary Sues”.

        The males seem to be a more Active vehicles of wish fulfillment whilst most females sues seems more passive. As is said by E;R in the video I posted.

        At its most extreme example the Mary Sue is awesome for existing. Nothing more. When there is nothing to earn and nothing to work towards which Rey seems to much more closely embody. There is no growth and nowhere to go.

        I believe the more likable “Mary Sues” of the female variety fit very often the more active vehicle of wish fulfillment.

        The more active vehicle of wish fulfillment has greater potential in story telling in my opinion.

        “The essential element of a Mary Sue – from its origin in fan fiction – is that everybody loves her/him (other than the evil ones). A recurring theme in the Harry Potter books is the hostility he receives from those around him. First from his Uncle. Then in several books from his fellow students (eg, brutally so Gobblet of Fire). Eventually, he is a criminal on the run. He has his ups and downs. His life is not the joyous parade typical of a Mary Sue.”

        Exactly. Whilst its cringey that somehow despite demonstrating no redeeming qualities at 1st he is like whisked off into hogwarts for simply existing.

        However the hostility of the Academy and becoming a criminal on the run requires that he has to prove himself worthy of his status. Which he ends up doing. And he develops the character necessary to take on challenges that are thrown his way.

      5. “Did you see the films? Rey works very hard, and shows many estimable character traits. She earns her keep working as a scavenger. She readily joins the Rebellion. She undertakes difficult and dangerous tasks. In those respects, she is as heroic and noble as any other hero. She “earns” admiration as much as Superman and WW. I mean, how much more could she do?”

        She began to be unlikable when in one scene when the black character tries to pull her out of danger and she slaps his hand away saying: “Don’t touch me”.

        Actually the fact that somehow she is somehow able to master the Millennium Falcon in a few seconds or minutes even better than Han Solo and his crew is just as unbelievable.

        And I vehemently disagree with her “earning” admiration because the audience like myself finds her unlikable far more than superman and WW.

        “It is her powers that are unearned, achieved without training. Until the Skywalker film, where they showed her training. A bit offset by her demonstrating god-like powers beyond those shown by anybody in the previous films.”

        A small improvement however its not quite right. It feels like the little training scene in the last Jedi. Didn’t require much effort at all.

        “You are missing the point, brutually so. A Mary Sue is loved by all; its one of the defining characteristics (eg, Rey, Superman). Many (not all) male heroes are disliked by their fellows either always or for periods. Much as Jesus was, jeered and mocked by the crowds at the end. That does not mean that everybody hates them, or that they are always hated. As I showed, Potter fits this perfectly.”

        And this is why male heroes are more relatable. Although I do think harry earns admiration because he helped saved the academy at the end of the series.

    1. Anon,

      I don’t recall any scenes where people were in space without suits. The fight scene on the hull of the Star Destroyer was in the atmosphere (the ships were stuck there for reasons too moronic to discuss).

      1. what about rey jumping into the millennial falcon after they escape from prison on the star destroyer. Also the end, i thought all the star destroyers were in orbit around the planet. Its not like the battle took place in atmosphere. Kind of like the beginning of attack of the clones.

      2. Anon,

        I see that you zoned out in the last act. I too would have during that flow of bs, but I had to pay attention in order to write this review.

        “thought all the star destroyers were in orbit around the planet.”

        The key plot point was that – I’m not kidding – the giant fleet of giant starships needed a signal to tell them which way was up. Only one ship had that (unexplained) ability. So the entire last battle was in the atmosphere. Hence the fight on the hull of the ship, with a dozen rebels riding animals against the thousand man crew armed with laserguns.

        If the Storm Troopers had M16s and BARs, these films would have been much shorter.

      3. Anon,

        Skywalker borrowed a trope from Solo, who borrowed it from Plan Nine from Outer Space. In Plan 9, a tiny crypt opens and out comes a dozen mourners. In Solo and Skywalker, a little transport lands, a dozen or so rebels come up – and in the subsequent battle, their numbers multiply so they can fight hordes of Storm Troopers. They always refer to “the transport”, not “our” or “that” “one of the” transports.

  3. I wanted to follow up. I went to McDonald’s and they have the woman jedi juxtaposed with the bad man jedi on a poster thing. The woman jedi is looking fierce but pretty with the lazer sword in an up aggressive pose. The bad man is in his broken helmet with his lazer sword in a low submissive pose.

    He is wearing a helmet so he looks like a monster or at least not human because feminism teaches us men arent human.

    Anyhow. I agree. I’ll send you a $15 tip this weekend.

    1. Sven,

      After all, Ren is the bad guy. He’s a remarkably weak – even whiney – bad guy. As I said in the review of this and Last Jedi, Rey acts like his big sister to his weak little brother. And thank you for the tip. Funds to support the project are appreciated.

       

      Empire Magazine Cover: Rise of Skywalker

      1. Hello Larry…well…maybe my point will be taken as useless and/or redundant, but since the 1st Star Wars movies were timing my teenage years, I’ll still go will it…

        Yesterday in the previous SW movies, and extended universe works, there WERE badass Female characters, but at least they were told in a credible way…it was at least hinted they had to train, work and suffer to get into their position, take scars and worse by loosing battles, and, often, the final reward for all their work (and for Male character’s work) was death and then oblivion…

        You just could star 10’s of Female SW characters instead of that Mary Sue Rey one, as a leading character…but I guess that wouldn’t cope, because Hey, true Strong and Empowered Wymyn don’t suffer any pain, anguish, or defeat…thank you so much to SJW’s to have destroyed any interest in reading or watching SW stories…

        Tl-Dr…movies makers could go with really inspiring movies (no matter the sex of the main protagonists)…they preferred to go with dull, parodistic, uninteresting copycat ones…

      2. Her Heart Beats,

        You are describing the inherent problems with Social Realist art, and its cousins. It is didactic by design, since instruction not entertainment is its primary function.

        Hollywood can do this since a few studios control the system (Disney is almost 40% of the US box office) – and because we obediently buy what they offer. It’s a match made in Heaven.

        When we stop paying for Leftist lessons, then Hollywood will change. My guess (guess) is that the Rise of Skywalker will make a billion dollars, confirming to the folks that run the game that their tactics are successful in every way.

        Remember, it is all about choice. Our choices.

  4. What was the demographic of the audience where you were? I get the feeling that Disney’s major goal by releasing this movie just before Christmas was to sell lots of toys to kids.

  5. Most of the plot leaks and rumors circulating on YouTube for the last month-and-a-half turned out to be true.

    I understand Abrams is a hack. But even when he recycles cliches and tropes as major reveals, why must he bluntly announce them with wooden exposition? Surely even hacks heard of “show don’t tell” in their college writing classes. When the script was being done and redone, could somebody suggest keeping this or that reveal hinted or subtle until later on in the film? Restraint doesn’t require much originality.

    The theater was full, but when it was over only a few people clapped vigorously, hoping to get the rest to join in. But then some other people yelled “boo!” and they stopped trying.

  6. Yes, movies can be very good cultural experiences/documents of our communication to each other/generations, etc.

    However, I have relatives “in the business” and have taken college courses in CA from people who studied with Lucas and Spielberg. I know a bit about the inside of the movie biz. (I also roomed in college with the brother of Lucas’ nanny- who told us a lot of stuff about him. His car wreck changed his life more than people know.)

    As for Star Wars movies, yes the first few were informed greatly by the “hero myth” (seriously studied by the film makers). On the other hand they were made with the thought that they would be Saturday matinees that kids would like. The film makers were very surprised by the reception of the first film.

    The folks I know (Star Wars fans), have all enjoyed the current release.

    I don’t take all of this too seriously, and I have enjoyed all of the movies.

    1. wkevien,

      “I don’t take all of this too seriously”

      I disagree. Many social scientists also disagree with you. Myths of a people are among the few clues as to their fears and dreams. How millions of people spend their time and money (a night at the multiplex is expensive for most Americans) is significant, providing revealed preferences.

      “The folks I know (Star Wars fans), have all enjoyed the current release.”

      Time will tell. I’ve found annec-data an unreliable guide to anything. That’s how elections are so often falsely predicted, as in “nobody I know will vote for Truman/Trump.”

      1. I agree with the “anec-data” part, except the Trump thing was represented as more than that: the expert/data-based polls said Trump “nobody… will vote for … Trump”. In the urban-elitist+urban-“poor” areas, I’m sure this was the “anecdote”.

        The polls had “real” data – or at least thought they did- which favored Trump.

        A minority of the data-based folks called the election for Trump.

        Further note/off topic: the popular vote was almost certainly within the statistical error of all the “experts/pundits” calling the election. Unless somebody had methodology aimed at the electoral college, “nobody won” (= the election was a statistical dead heat on the popular vote).

        And… I didn’t think the third movie was anywhere near as good as the first two.

    2. wkeview,

      “I know a bit about the inside of the movie biz. ”

      That’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how culture works. The significance of cultural features is not designed, or result from the intentions of their creators. To understand the cultural impact of booze or drugs, we don’t ask the people who run distilleries or smugglers. To understand the role of weddings, we don’t ask bridal consultants or the people who run bridal magazines.

      All these people are trying to make a buck. By trial and error they, usually unwittingly, find what the public wants. Only deeper analysis discovers the significance, and the reasons why, of these things in our culture.

  7. When the advanced ticket sales were first being tabulated, they were hoping for $220+ opening weekend, more than “The Force Awakens.” When opening day approached, they tempered expectations down to $200+ million. After Friday, they said around $190 million. Now they’re saying around $175 million.

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/article/ed3446670340/?ref_=bo_hm_hp

    Counting the international revenue, it’s grossed about $370 million. For most laypeople, considering nearly $400 million to be a disappointment sounds ridiculous. But of course, mega-studio box office rules operate on a different scale. Since this is “Star Wars” and one of Disney’s “big tent” franchises, it has to gross over a billion worldwide just to be in the running. They’re reporting that it’s already “dead on arrival” in China, though “Star Wars” has never been a box office draw over there. That makes the domestic numbers all the more important.

    1. Durasim,

      Of course, what matters is the film’s “legs” – which depends on what people who saw it tell their friends. Only time will reveal this.

      Also – although chatter about films is all about the box office (gross sales), Disney cares most about net income. With all the CGI and (worse) multiple rush reshoots, the cost of Skywalker must be immense (these numbers are often kept secret). Before reshoots, it was rumored to cost in the $350 million range (Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides cost ~$380 million in 2011, Solo cost $275 million in 2018). With all the last-minute reshoots, who can say?

      There are distribution and marketing costs, with the studio’s breakeven at very roughly twice production costs. The Last Jedi had a production cost of ~$262 million, a $1.3 billion box office, and net profit of ~$412 million. So even a billion-dollar global box office might mean little or no profits for Disney.

      1. Yes, I know studios ultimately care about net income. I just figured the higher the gross, the higher the net. Though, I think studios and their promoters use the tactic of hiding behind an ostensibly high gross amount whenever a film is not as successful as planned. I guess they figure if a film is not a financial success for them, they have to pretend that it still is, because admitting failure will only damage them further.

        When people started suggesting “The Last Jedi” was having problems and that the fandom was not receiving it well, apologists like Forbes’ Scott Mendelsohn dismissed them as troglodytes and pointed to the “rave reviews” and $1.3 billion gross as refutation of any possible shortcoming. Now that you point out that net income for “Last Jedi” was around $412 million, that sounds rather modest. It’s not bad, of course, but not something you expect from the “Star Wars” franchise. I remember seeing it on the Saturday night of its opening weekend, and the theater was almost empty.

        As you point out, studios are not transparent and often keep the actual production and promotion costs secret. The YouTube leaks about “Rise of Skywalker” plot were proven. However, confirmation of the rumors about test audience reactions, re-shoots, and alternate endings may not be forthcoming. Even when it gets released on Blu-Ray and such, I don’t know how much of that Disney is inclined to reveal, because it would admit how chaotic and haphazard the production truly was. But if there is any truth to those accounts, then the production costs must have gone way over-budget.

        “Legs” certainly do matter, although lots of today’s big box office items seem to be more “front-loaded” and rely disproportionately on their opening weekends. Couple this with the fact that a film’s first run time in theaters is short, usually about a month, with the next releases coming in conveyor belt fashion. So let me just say that I personally don’t think this is a film that inspires viewers to sell it to their friends by old fashioned word-of-mouth.

      2. With all the CGI and (worse) multiple rush reshoots, the cost of Skywalker must be immense (these numbers are often kept secret).

        Hollywood Reporter estimates between $250 to $300 million.

        https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-box-office-star-wars-rise-skywalker-beaten-by-local-films-1264388

        If it makes markedly less than “Last Jedi,” the SJW’s may try to argue that it was punished for contradicting or undoing Rian Johnson’s bold progressive decisions.

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